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[Solved] Honda Civic both headlights not working on dipped beam

I turned the headlights on my 2005 Honda Civic EP3 Type R to drive home the other evening and both bulbs went out after about half a second on dipped beam. Strangely, main beam was still working perfectly.

Full symptoms:
  • Dipped beam not working for both headlights
  • Full beam working as normal
  • Sidelights working as normal
  • Dash lights working as normal when combination light switch is toggled to the dipped beam position
Great, I thought, what were the chances of both bulbs going at the same time? I always jump to the worst case scenario and assumed the alternator must have surged and blown both bulbs, or I was going to be cursed with some nightmare intermittent electrical fault requiring hours of diagnostics (electrics isn't my strong point).

At best I thought I was going to have to try and track down a blown fuse or relay.

So I started looking through my service manual and found the Honda Civic Type R headlight circuit diagram.

Headlights circuit diagram

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There is some misinformation online, where people are posting that the fuses are separate for main and dipped beam, but what this diagram clearly shows is that the right and left headlights each have their own relay and fuse which "control" both main and dipped beam.

So the fuses and relays are split into the right and left headlight, rather than dipped and main beam - from a safety perspective this makes perfect sense as you wouldn't want to be driving down a country lane and have a fuse blow which wipes out dipped beams on both sides would you?

The good news is that this eliminated the relays and fuses as the cause of the fault, as if either of them had gone then full beam would not be working in the affected headlight either.

On the next probable culprit - the combination light switch aka the 'stalk' on the steering wheel which controls.

Faulty combination switch on Honda Civic
After some googling, I found that lots of owners have reported faulty combination switches and I believe there was even a recall in America for them. Basically the terminals get corroded and don't make a connection when you

Luckily, it looks quite easy to remove the combination switch to test it:
  • Remove 3 x screws holding lower steering wheel surround in place
  • Separate from upper steering wheel surround
  • Remove 2 x screw from on front of combination switch to allow it to be removed from the steering column
However, I didn't have to do that as I thought I would test to see if the headlight bulbs were actually getting power first.


Check the dipped headlight bulb is getting power

The dipped beam headlight harness connector is really easy to access and can be pulled off to access the plug.

To test the lights are getting power:
  1. Turn on the ignition (no need to start the engine) and turn the combination switch so the headlights should be on.
  2. Set your multimeter to measure DC voltage.
  3. The light harness connector only has two terminals. Put the red multimeter probe on one and the black probe on the negative terminal of the battery. You should get a reading of around 11.9v. If you don't get anything, try the other terminal on the headlight harness.
  4. Once you have found which terminal is live, set your multimeter to continuity mode and check the other terminal against the negative terminal on the battery.
If you have 11.9v on live and a solid ground back to the negative terminal of the battery then congratulations, both your bulbs are just blown.

If you don't, then i'm sorry but I can't help you. More investigation would be needed, my first port of call would be checking the combination switch, lots of owners have reported obvious visual damage to the terminals.

Conclusion
Both dipped beam headlight bulbs are blown! Well at least that's an easy fix. I was still curious as to how this could have happened so I did a bit more research which I thought I would share.

1) It is fairly common that both headlight bulbs blow within a short time of each other. The reason behind this is probably that bulbs are made to tightly controlled specifications and so you could assume that under almost identical operating conditions, and in the absence of manufacturing defects, you would expect them to have a similar service life.

2) Many times where people claim both bulbs blew at the same time, what actually happened was one bulb was already blown but they didn't notice until the only remaining bulb went, when it becomes very obvious. This ties in with the above point about headlight bulbs blowing within short periods of each other.

3) The other possibility is that they really did blow at the same time and as the first one went it caused a change in voltage which blew the other one. I have no idea how mechanically sound this theory is but it seems plausible.

The Fix
I can't say I'm best pleased as these bulbs were relatively expensive Osram Nightbreakers which were  only just over 12 months old (and conveniently just out of warranty). After reading some reviews online I decided to get some cheaper Bosch Pure Light bulbs (based on their excellent review by Which?) and I honestly cannot notice the difference between them and the premium Osram's.

2005 Honda Civic Type R bulb type for dipped beam is H1 55W 12V if anyone is wondering.

Which is best: 205/45/17 vs 215/40/17 tyres?


Like many petrol heads, I understand how fundamental tyres are to how a car handles and changing tyres is something I like to think carefully about. When my Honda EP3 Civic unexpectedly failed it's MOT on two misshapen rear tyres I was faced with a tough decision - replace just the two rear tyres in the same size (215/40/17) or buy a complete set and swap back to the OE size of 205/45/17.

It was only after owning the Civic for several months and feeling a bit unhappy at how harsh the ride was, that I realised the previous owner had put wider, lower profile 215/40/17 tyres on. I imagine that on silky smooth roads or on a track this profile of tyre would be beneficial but on UK roads I found the ride too crashy and it felt like there was not enough compliance to deal with the bumps and imperfections in the road, with the result being less grip and an uncomfortable ride. I also felt the low profile tyres were contributing to tramlining.

Previously owning a Peugeot 306 GTI-6 (which I directly compared to the Type R in this review), I'm a big fan of what would now be considered van tyres. The 306 used to run 195/55/15 tyres and they were bloody brilliant, it would eat up a bumpy B road like nothing else and speed bumps could be taken at a decent speed without that horrible feeling that you are going to blow a damper.



With this in the back of my mind, I took the plunge and purchased a set of Bridgestone Potenza RE050A in 205/45/17 from BlackCircles.com. If you are wondering, the previous tyres were Falken FK 452, which have a pretty good reputation online.

The difference was night and day - the higher profile tyres gave much more compliance and increased ride comfort considerably. Confidence and grip were also vastly improved, although some of this would have undoubtedly been due to the new tyres. Road noise was also reduced but I don't know if this is due to the tyre profile change or different model of tyre.

In my opinion, the ride on the Honda Type R is stiff enough without having to drop to a lower profile to get increased control and I would strongly recommend sticking with the tyre size that Honda intended when they designed the car.

Honda Civic Type R (EP3) vs. Peugeot 306 GTi-6 Review

honda civic type r vs peugeot 306 gti 6

Both the Honda Civic Type R (EP3) and Peugeot 306 GTi- 6 have been hailed by journalists as the dominant hot-hatch of their decade and there's no mistaking that both these cars still tick all the hot-hatch boxes - fantastic handling, a decent power-to-weight ratio, bags of character and of course practical enough to fulfil all the needs of a daily driver.

As someone who has owned both these cars and often wrestles with the question of which one is better, I thought I would write an in-depth head-to-head review to help me decide. Please leave your comments below, you don't need to register.


Peugeot GTi-6 Honda EP3 Type-R
BHP 167bhp @ 6500rpm 197bhp @ 7400rpm
Torque 145lb/ft @ 5500rpm 145lb/ft @ 5,900rpm
Weight 1214kg 1204kg
BHP/Tonne 137bhp/tonne 158bhp/tonne
Top Speed 130mph 146mph
Gearbox Close ratio, 6 speed Close ratio, 6 speed
Engine 4 cylinder 1998cc (XU10J4RS) 4 cylinder 1998cc (K20A2)
0 - 60mph 7.1 secs 6.4 secs
30-70mph 7.4 secs 6.5 secs

Engine & Gearbox
There's no mistaking the XU10J4RS is a classic engine which, when partnered with the close ratio 6 speed gearbox, covers ground at an astonishing rate. The torque curve is incredibly flat and after driving the GTi-6 for a couple of years the EP3 noticeably lacks torque and this does impact driveability. The book figures may both be 145lb/ft but if you can find rolling road graphs there's no mistaking the GTi-6 has the upper hand.

Now that I'm driving the EP3, there are often times in the morning commute when I reluctantly have to change down a gear and sigh as I know the GTi-6 would be powering through.

It is when you take a drive out of the city and onto the open road where the Honda Civic Type R comes into it's own. The increased power at the top of the rev range is noticeable and keeping the engine in VTEC is an absolute pleasure due to the rifle-bolt gear change which makes the Peugeot feel like the gear stick must be made out of wet cardboard.

I think this is where a distinction can be drawn between the two cars, whilst the 306 GTi-6 has a sweet engine with lots of grunt which is great for making effortless progress, it can feel a little asthmatic at the top end of the revs as you feel the torque tail off. Comparatively, the EP3 is a caffeine fuelled maniac who just wants to be driven to the maximum - lively is an understatement and it will head butt the rev limiter without the smallest sign of slowing down.

As it happens, even after owning the Civic Type R for 8 months I still find it quite hard to know when to change up a gear because there simply isn't that subtle torque drop which most engines have to let you know they are past peak power. This can result in accidental rev limiter action, guaranteed to get a frown from my partner.

The advantage of the GTi-6 is that it doesn't have to be driven to quite the same 1/10th as the Honda Type R to make good progress - you can get away with the odd short shift or lazily not changing down before a corner and it won't impair the driving experience much.

In comparison, the lively Honda is all or nothing, it demands you take it to the rev limiter on every occasion and if you don't - well don't expect to be in VTEC when you shift up, instead you are greeted by a frustrating delay whilst the engine winds up to the VTEC engagement point.

Despite how similar they may look on paper, these are very different engines to drive and both have their strengths and weaknesses. It's very hard to say which one is "better" as it's more a question of your preferred driving style.

Engine noise is also worth a mention as it's a large part of the driving experience for petrol heads. As standard the 306 GTi-6 has a lovely induction noise which is not hugely loud but very sweet and satisfying. This is easily washed out if an after market exhaust is fitted so watch out for this when buying. However, in my opinion, the Honda EP3 wins in this department as the K20A2 sings a more refined tune out of VTEC and sounds completely berserk on VTEC.

Indeed, there are fewer things sweeter to the ear than charging down the road in VTEC and the audible changeover as VTEC engages undoubtedly adds to the excitement (as does the shove of torque in your back).

Neither are fantastic cars for driving in heavy traffic. The rawness of the Civic can get a little tiresome, mainly due to the light flywheel (which was made even lighter in the facelift model) and lack of torque. Whilst the Peugeot drives smoother in that respect, the heavy clutch and steering are less than ideal. However, in my opinion this is less tiresome than the light flywheel which requires delicate driving to avoid being jerky. Peugeot wins here.

A sort of criticism of both cars is that they don't really get going until over 60mph which puts you at dangerous speeds and potentially in trouble with the law. Why is this? Well, for the GTi-6, both 1st and 2nd gear are long, which means it can feel a little sluggish off the line and at low speeds. For the Civic EP3 Type R, unless you are really in the mood and fancy some 2nd gear VTEC action, the real power in 3rd gear doesn't happen until about 60mph.

Handling
As the staple foundation on which a good hot-hatch is built, handling deserves a decent sized section of this comparison for the Honda Civic EP3 Type R vs. Peugeot 306 GTi-6.

As with all the classic Peugeot's, the 306 GTi-6 received much praise for it's agile and responsive handling and after driving one for 3 years in all road conditions, there's two words I would use to describe what makes the little Peugeot so special - steering feedback. Whilst heavy at low speeds, the hydraulic power steering is perfectly weighted when you get going and you can feel everything the front wheels are doing. This inspires so much confidence that making progress on fast b-roads is effortless and it makes it possible to drive the car to it's limits and beyond whilst feeling in complete control.

If you get the opportunity to drive a GTi-6 which has been well looked after (new rear beam mounts, front wishbones, dampers etc) I'd strongly recommend it as you will not be disappointed.

For the record, my EP3 is lowered 30mm, has modifications to allow for front/rear camber adjustment and has had a full road set up alignment (FRSU) which is meant to improve steering feedback and handling considerably. There is no doubt the Honda Civic handles well - it feels very stable at high speed and turns in well. However, and the Honda fanboys are not going to like this, the steering feedback really let's this car down and it's never given me the same confidence when pushing on that the GTi-6 has.

The Civic has bags of grip, the steering is tight and when you do push too hard, it seems to progressively understeer in a non-alarming way. But if I'm driving at speed down a twisty road I want and need to feel in complete control, with the Type R, I have to put my faith in the tyres and suspension components. I think, and hope everything is ok, but I don't know it's ok like I did in the Peugeot.

Of course, I would have a different viewpoint in a track day scenario where you can explore the limits of grip in relative safety and a mishap simply means a wheel in the gravel or a missed apex. Maybe I have just matured since buying the EP3 but public roads are not as forgiving and I always felt this lessened my enjoyment of blasting down a good B-road.

Ride comfort is barely worth discussing as the Peugeot wins hands down. It's lovely 195/55/15 tyres absorb the pitted and pot-holed road surface in a way I can only dream of whilst dodging anything lumpier than a cat eye in the Type R.

N.B I really wish manufactures would stop putting ridiculous low-profile tyres on everything.

I was undecided before writing this section but I think now I've accepted the conclusion that for use on public roads the Peugeot GTi-6 handles better. This could be a controversial statement but...it just does and that's not an easy thing for me to admit considering I traded my GTi-6 for a Type R 8 months ago.

Interior
This is one area where the Civic is the clear cut winner. The seating position is lower and there's plenty of leg room (even if you're 6' 4" like me) with all the controls easily accessible/visible. The steering wheel is smaller than the Peugeot and has a racier feel to it which is nice.

The half leather, half alcantara seats of the Peugeot are comfortable and supportive although when really pushing on I did feel like the seats would have greatly benefited from being deeper as you did tend to move around quite a lot, even with the grippy alcantara helping to hold you in place. In contrast, the EP3 seats are low and deep and really hold you in place.

Compared to the GTi-6, the Honda Civic feels much better built and I'm reminded of this with every interaction I make with the controls. From the indicator stalk to the gear stick and hazard warning switch - everything has a firmer, more positive feel. The Peugeot 306 interior doesn't look cheap - it just feels it.

As you would expect, the Honda has all the standard electric goodies but to be fair to the Peugeot 306 GTi-6, it has a great spec for a 17 year old hot hatch which is equal to the Honda:
  • Electric central locking
  • Air con (even though 80% of them won't work now due to pipes corroding)
  • Heated and electric adjustable wing mirrors
  • Front electric windows
The back seats of both cars fold down to create a large boot space big enough to fit lots of luggage or a bike.

Overall I think the cabin design of both cars do exactly what a hot-hatch requires however the Type R does it substantially better. The biggest thing I miss from the Peugeot is the interior clock - why oh why did the designers at Honda omit this incredibly practical feature?

Exterior
A topic so subjective I almost didn't bother including it. The Type R has the slight advantage of being designed almost 10 years later so it's bound to look fresher than the Peugeot which unfortunately just misses out on having that classic boxy 80's styling (like the 205 and BMW E30 for example) but instead has that early / mid 90's look when everything started to get a bit soft and curvy.

To give credit to Peugeot, the 306 has aged extremely well (as long as it has the phase 3 facelift crystal headlights) and from most angles still looks pretty damn good and does not immediately stand out as a car released in 1997 (phase 2 model). This is especially apparent when you compare it to other hot hatches of the same era.

The big difference between the exterior of these two hot hatches is in what I am calling the 'loudness' factor. Amongst other things, the Type R has 17" low profile tyres, a red Honda badge and a large roof spoiler which is far from subtle. Like it or not, it is hard to argue the EP3 Type R does not have a 'boy racer' image and this normally provokes two responses depending on what kind of person you are 1) "Stuff what other people think, it's my car." or 2) "Hmm, I would prefer something a bit more 'under the radar'.

Comparatively, at a glance, the Peugeot GTi-6 looks like a completely unremarkable 90's hatchback to your average joe - the fact that only petrol heads recognise and appreciate the little Peugeot for what it is gives you a smugness in the knowledge that you could surprise all sorts of modern machinery on the motorway slip road dash.

I think ultimately they are both good looking cars and which one you prefer to drive on the road will  depend on your personality just as much as taste.

Conclusion
It's almost too close to call. For me the stand out differences could be boiled down to:
  • The Civic is a nicer place to be in.
  • The Peugeot handles better.
  • The Civic looks better.
  • The Civic has a great reputation for reliability, the Peugeot...not so much.
  • Neither are very good at casual driving.
  • The Civic is more fun.
In my opinion, the difference comes down to how you are going to use the car - if it's 90% commuting and school runs and 10% trips down your favourite A-road then perhaps the Peugeot is the better buy?

Saying that, if I had to put my trust in one car to drive across the country and get me there without issue it would surely be the Civic.

At current market prices (March 2015) you could buy approximately four decent condition GTi-6's for the price of one decent Civic Type R (facelift). Is the Type R a better all-round package - perhaps. Is it four times better - of course not. But then it never works like that, does it?

Have you driven a Peugeot GTi-6? Or a Type R? Or even better - both? Leave your comments below and join in the discussion (there's no need to register).